this account would now show a significant balance in it that would continually roll over each month. I did a balance adjustment in my checking account because I couldn't find the discrepency (over $2K).. Should I: 1. dakinemaui thank you, that's great. You don't budget to decrease the real-world debt. Adding Credit Cards & Debts. But this type of stuff is not my strong suit which is why I am asking for specific examples. Hope this makes sense, thanks in advance :). YNAB revolves around 4 easy-to-understand rules: 1. However, you can manually enter your account balance and details which will allow you to use the app’s features properly. Get organized and lay out all your expenses by making sure there’s a category for each of them. Google YNAB Toolkit Extension, it's installed into your browser. Money is fungible, and categories "live" anywhere you like (given sufficient account balance). A reconciliation adjustment removes unbudgeted money, because it is categorized to teh special "To Be Budgeted" category. Helping new YNABers who are in overdraft is something we're actively working on, so please let us know if the resources were helpful, and if you have any follow-up questions. So, for example, if YNAB says you have $150 and your bank's available balance shows $100, because you have one pending transaction at your bank for $50, you would not reconcile YNAB and create an adjustment for -$50, because YNAB doesn't know about that $50 yet. New to YNAB, still learning, all was going well but today my checking account balance is way off, by over $1000. Makes perfect sense now. It gives you the freedom to change your mind, mid-month, as reality unfolds. A Brief History of You Need A Budget (YNAB) ... You’ll also want to enter your current account balance. At this point, however, I'm not sure you would want to use those OD funds on a regular basis, and therefore wouldn't want to budget those overdraft funds. See this article for more details: (substitute HELOC for "savings"), Im sure the answer is obvious but after 3 days of trying to figure it out I figured it was time to ask. Americans have turned to CC debt, but other countries have far better terms with their banks. Let's just say that I have NOT done any of this yet and may not proceed with it but would like to know HOW it could work using YNAB. I'm sure I owe you a beer / other beverage, PM me if you'd like to collect on that ;-), My friend wants me to help them get set up on YNAB, which I am soooooo excited for, but they're starting an overdraft and I didn't and I wasnt sure what to do, dakinemaui Hi, thanks for this post its super helpful. Adjust as You Go. dakinemaui I'm confused by your statement regarding overdraft account types. Slate Gray Screwdiver Set it up as described here: I think the piece you may be missing is the money accumulated in the TD account is not synonymous with the Overdraft Reserve category. I've only had to do it once before for like $6. nolesrule thanks, though as I noted below to another poster, I've read about the various risks and negative reviews and am still in the research process. dakinemaui Bingo! You buy ETFs and pay a 2 euro fee. Once you are certain you don't need those funds, you can "spend" them to get them out of YNAB completely with a single transaction for the entire balance. But I didn't find a better way. If I feel this too uncomfortable, I will set this up as a separate LOC account and bear with the temporary overspending while my balance is positive (it usually is for 3 out of 4 weeks). As it turns out, overdraft users actually have an agreement with their bank that allows them to spend $X of cash that's outside of their main account. Then treat every €, ¥ or £ spent within these limits as that what it is – "future money," hence once I would tap my granted, my money's age would go negative. Change your mind and it's instantly "moved". (If you ever do need the OD later, just "unclose" the account, delete that transaction, and unhide the Reserve category.). Slate Gray Screwdiver In the short term, substitute HELOC wherever you see "overdraft". I'm trying to get clear in my mind what that cash account is doing: do you put your available overdraft as a positive balance there, then the negative balance in your checking, leaving you with the difference between them to budget? I'd like to have a simulator, if you will, in place before I'd ever actually engage in real money use. I'd recommend you simply record the transfers in categorized as TBB and budget those funds to whatever category went overspent. I do not know if this would be the right place to comment on the issue, but what I would actually like to see YNAB doing as this is how I do understand the YNAB approach is the following: From the "Age your money" rule, it would be nice to have the possibility to add these European (or rather non-US ?) For example, if your bank shows $500 and your budget shows $850, record an adjustment (just like any other transaction) for $350 outgoing dollars. There are three types of goals in YNAB: Plan Your Spending, Build Your Savings, andCredit Card goals. Chrome and Firefox are supported. Feel free to incorporate it into a more proactive educational article. I have to account for that in order to keep the account balance correct. Instead of using traditional budgeting buckets, YNAB users map out a plan for every dollar. Incidentally, the fact the "effective debt" can be different from the "real-world" debt is exactly how older versions of YNAB handled debt. The budget is the plan for your *future* spending. To enable, select View and check Show Running Balance in the web app. You Need a Budget combines easy software with Four Simple Rules to help you quickly gain control of your money, get out of debt, and save more money faster! HappyDance Thanks for the kind words, but I can't take all the credit. dakinemaui Thanks for this, makes sense now! Offset accounts like you're describing are usually recommended by our team for Line of Credit accounts. Another view is that you have a money plan comprised of £X (or euros or whatever), and you're periodically hit with a "maintenance fee" on your account -- a.k.a., interest on the overdraft. Make a plan, including non-monthly expenses, adjust the plan as new information arrives, and increase net worth over time. Does this mean I can use your approach? I've done smaller manual adjustments in the past, of a few hundred dollars, but now it's way off. My checking account will be out of balance by the overdraft amount, but it's easier for me to keep track of with a calculator, and I know when the balance on the 'credit card' reaches 0, my checking account should match exactly again.. When you say, "Users with a US-style "overdraft protection" account that transfers money in as needed to maintain a positive balance would need to use a slightly different approach." Most HELOCs cannot be used as direct checking accounts so money must be transferred back to the working checking account to pay bills. I know this is complicated but if it works, this could be very effective for a ton of people who are attempting to employ this strategy. You see exactly where your money is going, and that awareness will help you reign things in. For the US-style overdraft protection, you would have 3 accounts: checking (positive balance), overdraft protection (negative balance), and overdraft limit/ceiling (positive balance). I'm certain this was one of the prime motivations for the new credit handling in nYNAB. Sitting down and getting everything configured right away will make adjusting to YNAB easier. Budget whatever is left (what you don't need) to the Overdraft Reserve category. Decide what you want to do with each dollar that comes into your bank accountbefore you spend it. You have to keep a lot more money in the HELOC just to be able to offset the higher interest rate. Is this overdraft integrated into your main account that can go negative or is it a separate account that transfers funds to keep the main account positive? 2. In fact many highly geared people have Interest Only (rather than Principal & Interest) mortgages. As you might imagine, a number of people got into trouble and couldn't make sense of things. I dont want to start all over again. Once you’ve done that, let me know—and mention whether you’d like to continue the discussion here or via email instead. Payments make the balance go down, but interest makes it go up. We break down “Equity” just a little bit further, into income minus expenses, and it … When it matches the Overdraft Limit account balance, the effective debt is $0. I've meanwhile set it up exactly that way, and suddenly YNAB makes more sense! Make a big, fat adjustment to your budget by recording a line item to bring you current with your bank balance. The TBB is still overspent, but the checking account is not overdraft in that case because the user has spent money that was not accounted for by the budget and was actually more than he had available. How would I change the opening balance to be correct. 3. Welcome to YNAB Money Snapshots—where you see a real picture of someone else’s budget and finances. YNAB will ask if you're sure, but you can confidently delete it knowing you're correcting it. If you happen to overspend, you MUST cover it by reallocating from another category (converting it into budgeted spending after the fact). However, if I move all of my income to the HELOC account, that credit card/envelope functioning no longer works because the credit card is linked to the checking account where the budget categories are created. 2. None of my categories are in the red...I don't know why my balance was off by 2K!!! I need to be able to play with it first. As I pay bills, each envelope is lowered or depleted so I am quickly able to see where I might have extra or where I might need to move money from one envelope to another. Basically you are spending the difference between your mortgage  and the  value of your home. Users with a US-style "overdraft protection" account that transfers money in as needed to maintain a positive balance would need to use a slightly different approach. In this YNAB review, I’ll explore how the app works, describe its top features, and explain who will love it (and who will want to take a pass). (If you spent with both cash and credit cards in your overspent category, YNAB takes the cash out first for accounting purposes.) 3 If you're talking about net worth, simply filter out that OD account. It won’t be right because of the interest, so I just let YNAB do the math and make an adjustment. Nicole at YNAB I'd say those resources aren't great because they don't discuss planning how to spend the overdraft cash or how to get out. Once your plan no longer requires overdraft dollars (i.e., the full amount of overdraft is sequestered in the Reserve category) -- and that's been the case for "a while" and you don't expect to use it in the future -- then you can remove it if you wish. I'm not familiar with non-US style overdraft or what you called "offset accounts"  What does this look like from  US style perspective? The workflow I outlined would require a slight adjustment to work with the US "overdraft protection" style system. I have an overdraft on this account and because I put the positive "Available Balance" YNAB does not know that I have an overdraft. You can edit it just like any other transaction. Hopefully, thinking about the "parking" aspect helps. ... As you continue to use YNAB throughout the month you’ll start to see patterns with your spending habits and can adjust your budget as necessary. One of the few advantages to the new web-based YNAB (from my personal perspective, of course), is being able to customize your budget with little tweaks here and there. Have I sussed it? It's like being in a big hole and needing help out, but the only way out is to add a little dirt at a time below your feed and stand on it. What I decided to do right now, is to just bear with the red mark on the TBB sign, as this is limited to just two accounts and easily trackable. To correct the problem, budget whatever is needed to make them agree. I have set up the cash accounts as you have described, budgeted for my upcoming payments & overspend to the end of January then placed all remaining OD into the OD reserve. We all have those moments when life gets particularly busy and we don’t reconcile our accounts as often as we know we should. Perhaps there is still a bit of misunderstanding. 2) I can enter a negative balance (I'm using unlinked). In the new YNAB, uncovered cash overspending is always deducted from To be Budgeted in the next month. Ben K. Using the approach I outlined, you can absolutely follow all 4 rules. YNAB. I’ll make sure to send over your feedback & resources on handling overdraft, to see where we can make improvements! Cornflower Blue Commander No doubt that would be nice. So as a last ditch effort in fixing things, I made a "Manual Balance Adjustment ". You could have the overdraft protection account as a tracking account (use categorized transfers) or not even in YNAB at all (just look at the bank website for balance info). It is up to you how much is in the category. Use another category to budget for repayment. Others are variable: vehicle registration re… Can you point me to that approach? That seemed to fix things. Then, track your spending. At this point, you should create a budget category for foreign currency balance adjustments due to exchange rate fluctuations. With regards to paying the OD down (I'm UK-based), would you suggest wiping out the budget on the Overdraft line and deducting that balance from the Cash account (that you set up with the OD limit) at the end of each month? That's great for now. General. 2 Make sure the web address you use to log into your online banking matches the web address you see in YNAB's financial institution search list. The fact that YNAB doesn't have an Account Type to support this is (we all agree) a deep flaw. Hi dakinemaui ! I am quite pleased, though, when I hear back from people who have said it's exactly what they needed to let them continue using YNAB. I'd like to have a simulator, if you will, in place before I'd ever actually engage in real money use. Today we discuss a simple little formula to help you keep your on-budget accounts and budget balanced at all times. A 100k balance in a regular mortgage at 4% would require a 80k balance at 5% for the interest to be the same... before you even start saving any money over a regular mortgage using paycheck parking. capabilities to checking accounts as an extension, e.g. I’ve tried different budgeting techniques over the years and found You Need a Budget (YNAB) to be the ultimate budgeting tool. The account is now closed but the history will remain in your Budget. If you've set up that Goal on the Reserve category, it will tell you how much you have to go until the effective debt is gone. Which is great when money is tight but a nightmare to get out of. I can manage much better and work on getting out of my debt, rather than only tracking spending and getting depressed. Below are some examples over the last year of such adjustments: I contacted YNAB support, and they were very responsive. But it creates debt you should be aiming to reduce. If your bank account is negative, you'll see that negative balance on the account in the sidebar, and you’ll have a red number at the top of the budget. Target Savings Balance Set an amount to have available in a category, with or without a date! The negative account, OTOH, is the amount of overdraft money that you've already used/spent. Many people come to YNAB for the debt freedom, but they stay for the budgeting freedom. Both accounts are on-budget accounts as they both have regular transactions. I now have hit a dead end and need some guidance. I did a balance adjustment, when I went to my budget I saw that I was $0.88 cents into the red for next month, but when I took it out and entered a false $0.88 transaction things balanced, and no red ink. An account wasn't syncing right, the balance YNAB said didn't match my actual bank account – something was just off. (Anyone using YNAB in a multi account scenario must do this. At the time, I had envisioned three accounts: checking (positive balance), overdraft (negative balance), and the overdraft ceiling. Since it seems to be county specific, I'd recommend a county option when you register, then if you are in the UK or AUS, the software would work for you. dakinemaui Agree, been in the threads and if they can't budget for a year, then they are just tracking spending. That said, money parking is a risky strategy with a HELOC. My thinking is that this would slowly reduce the amount of "Available to Budget", and thus, pay off the Cash Account until you reach £0, and then you're budgeting with your own actual cash? . Nicole at YNAB In speaking to various overdraft users, many are often in continuous overdraft. YNAB automatically calculates the transaction of +105 euros. It's not specific to parking.) I need to be able to play with it first. Revelatory! Just looking at it, and tinkering with it, I'd actually create a payee called "Overdraft" and spend from the budget, taking the money from the Cash Account - that would reduce it appropriately and record a history. However, if you enter a transaction, you can categorize it to any category which would take the difference out of that category instead of out of your To Be Budgeted. We do appreciate it! They have a chequing account (TD) where they have accumulated some funds and have been budgeting these funds to an over draft reserve category in the budget, When the time came they moved that money to the chequing account (Scotia)  which was in an over draft position. I did forget the actual link to that Help Doc in my first response—so thanks for catching that! Obviously, you used to be able to handle and overdraft in pre-YNAB debt, and that was great, but I struggled to work out how to do this in new YNAB. YNAB book topics online:, Make a checking account starting with the correct (negative) balance. This meant your categories weren’t accurate. dakinemaui OK, making sense now... so the Overdraft Reserve category has a goal that equals the Scotia overdraft amount and they (Parents) accumulate funds in that category. Navy Blue Orca Positive balance so you can plan/budget with those funds. Lulamay17 In general, when TBB (To Be Budgeted) is $0 and you need money in some category, then you must move funds from a lower priority green category. At the end of the month, your total balance is 2,105. Every transaction will result in overspending, with the goal being "overspend less" as time progresses. I sincerely appreciate you forwarding things along. If you choose to set a date, YNAB will prompt you to budget so that you will have that amount available in that category by the given date. Table of Contents. (There is no secondary overdraft account or transfers.) If your overspending created a red category balance, that means you've overspent with cash. That's it exactly, and yes, the Overdraft (cash) account can stay there forever. leaving you with the difference between them to budget? Excellent really. Why can't they share a budget if they are both on budget accounts? Turquoise Song The idea is to budget your way toward using your own cash in the budget. 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